Hi Richard,

I've some proposal for you. I suppose that you'll use pools for 3 and 4 players in round 2 (like last years) and I think that it will be much better to make bigger pools (5 and 6 teams - top 4 from 6, top 3 from 5). Why? Because it is more right and in my opinion many teams spent some months working on their strategy and if they played only 6 games against 3 other teams (in first pool), it wouldn't be satisfying for them, neither for us.

I know that you don't have much free time, but it won't be a big difference. For you it's a few hours, but for us it's a few months we spent working on our strategies. I know this also mean that you will need more maps because there will be more pool turns, but you can just use same maps (which you are planing to use) and only change locations of HPs, OXYs and use similar objectives.

So it's up to you!


PS: Pls any answer will be great, otherwise I don't know if you read it.
 

I agree with you.

I also suggest that we should fight with each other more than one map.

Aaron.Guo:

I agree with you.

I also suggest that we should fight with each other more than one map.

Good idea in theory, but would double the time to get the results...

Richard does have a life outside of PH after all.... 

Cristian Pereyra:

It's not that easy at all, calculate how much time it will take and the difference will be enormous.

 
Yep, it is about 2 times more time but I suppose that when you spent months working on your strategy, you will be very upset if all you play is 6 games.

And no, I don't think that is problem for Richard to do that (it just about time while his computer will be running games). He probably uses PHAutomate with some bat files with prepared games and he can sleep or do what he want during that.

2 Times?? Did you ever have maths at school?

 Adding one player and making more than half of them to win is like 3 times the original pool system, and each time you add one map, you double it, so depending on the amount of maps and the pool system he uses, you would be suggesting something that would take 10x times.

Also, Richard already said long ago that he would use the same pool system he used in Small Competitions, may be he will switch maps, i don't know/care, but i don't think he will run the same strategies in 2 or more different maps, it adds too much times and there are many participants(Look at Round 1 Leaderboards, consider only half of them sending a strategy and is a hella lot of games)

Edit: And this is just a competition, you play for fun, for learning (And for the prizes, of course), but nobody is forcing you to, so stop complaining as if you had paid something to enter. I have also spent months forging my strategy, but nobody forced me to, and it was a fun/learning experience. Whether i go to France or not, i've already won, and i think many of us have.

Pablo Seibelt:

2 Times?? Did you ever have maths at school?

 You won't believe but I have:) And you should try it again...

Last year Richard used for every turn new map (there were 3 turns), top 12 teams played with each other on these three maps (just for info). I said nothing about more maps in one turn (but I think it could be good but yes it is already too much time...). I said that we will need more maps because I suppose that Richard has prepared three maps like last year. And again for your info last year were more or less 100 teams in round 2.

I make a proposal. It is on Richard and the comutity if we want change. We voled already for many different things and it is a new one. So you are against:)

PS: For 100 teams it is 2,4 times more:)

I'm against anything that can bother Richard more than he has been already bothered, he's also a human being -_-. And what you said isn't just 2-4 times more, it's like 10 times more with that many players, because you have to play a lot more of games to discard a lot less of players.
 

 I know that it is baby math but try it! And I didn't write 2-4 but 2.4 - it si point between 2 and 4 :)

But OK, let Richard decide, I don't want anything else.
 

 Actually, if you calculate just the pools of 6 players instead of 4 discarding only 2 players, yes, the value is around 2.4, but you also proposed playing on various maps, which each add a 2x multiplier to the total amount of games, and with 100 players, supposing your 2.4 is right, is about 600 games(50 hours) against about 1440 games(120 hours), and then Richard has to check the results...

I think it would be crazy, if Richard actually has such a time, i welcome him, but with 28 teams on the SC4 it took him more than a week to release all results letting only the 2 on top to pass to the next turn and using only 1 map. Which i don't blame him for, as he also has a job, his life isn't just about Project Hoshimi.

We'll see when Richard posts the results, but i'm completely against overplaying, if your strategy is good enough it should win anyway.

This is simple. PH Master is used to do the results, and it has a limit of 5 teams and only 2 teams pass.

That's it, no more questions. 

Pablo Seibelt:

you also proposed playing on various maps, which each add a 2x multiplier to the total amount of games

 I didn't write this, you should read carefully.

Pablo Seibelt:

with 28 teams on the SC4 it took him more than a week to release all results letting only the 2 on top to pass to the next turn and using only 1 map

More precisely it took him 3 days and he probably played only during nights. But I know that he is busy guy and PH isn't full time job so I understand and have no problem with that.

Pablo Seibelt:

We'll see when Richard posts the results, but i'm completely against overplaying, if your strategy is good enough it should win anyway.

Again it is not true. Top 6 teams that is important. Imagine (and I think that for you this shouldn't be problem because in SC4 you started in pool with winner and the third - so if you didn't have bug, the results would be totaly different - it's big problem according me) if all (all 100 teams) played with each other and you were sixth (Go to final!!!). When we use existing pool system, what happend if you in first turn in round 2 have in your pool 2 teams from top 6? No final:( Good example SC4. I'm doing this for you!!! :))
 

Cristian Pereyra:

This is simple. PH Master is used to do the results, and it has a limit of 5 teams and only 2 teams pass.

I think that you are capable to recognize top 5, top 4, top 3, top 2 and top 1 teams in PHMaster results:) 

And saying that only reason why not use bigger pool is because of PHMaster can't do it now is .... I think you know what:)